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Vādatthikasutta

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संयुत्तsaṃ·yut·ta निकायni·kā·ya 56।40

Saṁyutta Nikāya 56.40

Linked Discourses 56.40
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4। सीसपावनवग्गsī·sa·pā·va·na·vag·ga

4. Sīsapāvanavagga

4. In a Rosewood Forest
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वादत्थिकसुत्तvā·dat·thi·ka·sut·ta

Vādatthikasutta

Looking For a Debate
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“योyo हिhi कोचि,ko·ci भिक्खवे,bhik·kha·ve भिक्खुbhik·khu ‘इदंi·daṃ दुक्खन्’तिduk·khan यथाभूतंya·thā·bhū·taṃ पजानातिpa·jā·nā·ti …पे…pe

“Yo hi koci, bhikkhave, bhikkhu ‘idaṁ dukkhan’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti …pe…

“Mendicants, take any mendicant who truly understands: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’.
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‘अयंa·yaṃ दुक्खनिरोधगामिनीduk·kha·ni·ro·dha·gā·mi·nī पटिपदा’तिpa·ṭi·pa·dā यथाभूतंya·thā·bhū·taṃ पजानाति,pa·jā·nā·ti पुरत्थिमायpu·rat·thi·mā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya आगच्छेय्यā·gac·chey·ya समणोsa·ma·ṇo वाvā ब्राह्मणोbrāh·ma·ṇo वाvā वादत्थिकोvā·dat·thi·ko वादगवेसी:vā·da·ga·ve·sī

‘ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti, puratthimāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī:

An ascetic or brahmin might come from the east, west, north, or south wanting to debate, seeking a debate, thinking:
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‘वादमस्सvā·da·mas·sa आरोपेस्सामी’ति,ā·ro·pes·sā·mī तंtaṃ वतva·ta सहधम्मेनsa·ha·dham·me·na सङ्कम्पेस्सतिsaṅ·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पकम्पेस्सतिsam·pa·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पचालेस्सतिsam·pa·cā·les·sa·ti वाति—नेतंvā·ti ठानंṭhā·naṃ विज्जति।vij·ja·ti

‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.

‘I’ll refute their doctrine!’ It’s simply impossible for them to legitimately make that mendicant shake or rock or tremble.
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पच्छिमायpac·chi·mā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya …पे…pe

Pacchimāya cepi disāya …pe…

(Pāli only)
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उत्तरायut·ta·rā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya …पे…pe

uttarāya cepi disāya …pe…

(Pāli only)
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दक्खिणायdak·khi·ṇā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya आगच्छेय्यā·gac·chey·ya समणोsa·ma·ṇo वाvā ब्राह्मणोbrāh·ma·ṇo वाvā वादत्थिकोvā·dat·thi·ko वादगवेसी:vā·da·ga·ve·sī

dakkhiṇāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī:

(Pāli only)
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‘वादमस्सvā·da·mas·sa आरोपेस्सामी’ति,ā·ro·pes·sā·mī तंtaṃ वतva·ta सहधम्मेनsa·ha·dham·me·na सङ्कम्पेस्सतिsaṅ·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पकम्पेस्सतिsam·pa·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पचालेस्सतिsam·pa·cā·les·sa·ti वाति—नेतंvā·ti ठानंṭhā·naṃ विज्जति।vij·ja·ti

‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.

(Pāli only)
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सेय्यथापि,sey·ya·thā·pi भिक्खवे,bhik·kha·ve सिलायूपोsi·lā·yū·po सोळसso·ḷa·sa कुक्कुको।kuk·ku·ko

Seyyathāpi, bhikkhave, silāyūpo soḷasa kukkuko.

Suppose there was a stone post, sixteen feet long.
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तस्सस्सुtas·sas·su अट्ठaṭ·ṭha कुक्कुkuk·ku हेट्ठाheṭ·ṭhā नेमङ्गमा,ne·maṅ·ga·mā अट्ठaṭ·ṭha कुक्कुkuk·ku उपरिनेमस्स।u·pa·ri·ne·mas·sa

Tassassu aṭṭha kukku heṭṭhā nemaṅgamā, aṭṭha kukku uparinemassa.

Eight feet were buried underground, and eight above ground.
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पुरत्थिमायpu·rat·thi·mā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya आगच्छेय्यā·gac·chey·ya भुसाbhu·sā वातवुट्ठि,vā·ta·vuṭ·ṭhi नेवne·va सङ्कम्पेय्यsaṅ·kam·pey·ya नna सम्पकम्पेय्यsam·pa·kam·pey·ya नna सम्पचालेय्य;sam·pa·cā·ley·ya पच्छिमायpac·chi·mā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya …पे…pe उत्तरायut·ta·rā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya …पे…pe दक्खिणायdak·khi·ṇā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya आगच्छेय्यā·gac·chey·ya भुसाbhu·sā वातवुट्ठि,vā·ta·vuṭ·ṭhi नेवne·va सङ्कम्पेय्यsaṅ·kam·pey·ya नna सम्पकम्पेय्यsam·pa·kam·pey·ya नna सम्पचालेय्य।sam·pa·cā·ley·ya

Puratthimāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya bhusā vātavuṭṭhi, neva saṅkampeyya na sampakampeyya na sampacāleyya; pacchimāya cepi disāya …pe… uttarāya cepi disāya …pe… dakkhiṇāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya bhusā vātavuṭṭhi, neva saṅkampeyya na sampakampeyya na sampacāleyya.

Even if violent storms were to blow up out of the east, the west, the north, and the south, they couldn’t make it shake or rock or tremble.
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तंtaṃ किस्सkis·sa हेतु?he·tu

Taṁ kissa hetu?

Why is that?
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गम्भीरत्ता,gam·bhī·rat·tā भिक्खवे,bhik·kha·ve नेमस्सne·mas·sa सुनिखातत्ताsu·ni·khā·tat·tā सिलायूपस्स।si·lā·yū·pas·sa

Gambhīrattā, bhikkhave, nemassa sunikhātattā silāyūpassa.

It’s because that stone post is firmly embedded, with deep foundations.
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एवमेवe·va·me·va खो,kho भिक्खवे,bhik·kha·ve योyo हिhi कोचिko·ci भिक्खुbhik·khu ‘इदंi·daṃ दुक्खन्’तिduk·khan यथाभूतंya·thā·bhū·taṃ पजानातिpa·jā·nā·ti …पे…pe ‘अयंa·yaṃ दुक्खनिरोधगामिनीduk·kha·ni·ro·dha·gā·mi·nī पटिपदा’तिpa·ṭi·pa·dā यथाभूतंya·thā·bhū·taṃ पजानाति;pa·jā·nā·ti

Evameva kho, bhikkhave, yo hi koci bhikkhu ‘idaṁ dukkhan’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti …pe… ‘ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti yathābhūtaṁ pajānāti;

In the same way, take any mendicant who truly understands: ‘This is suffering’ … ‘This is the origin of suffering’ … ‘This is the cessation of suffering’ … ‘This is the practice that leads to the cessation of suffering’.
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पुरत्थिमायpu·rat·thi·mā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya आगच्छेय्यā·gac·chey·ya समणोsa·ma·ṇo वाvā ब्राह्मणोbrāh·ma·ṇo वाvā वादत्थिकोvā·dat·thi·ko वादगवेसीvā·da·ga·ve·sī ‘वादमस्सvā·da·mas·sa आरोपेस्सामी’ति,ā·ro·pes·sā·mī तंtaṃ वतva·ta सहधम्मेनsa·ha·dham·me·na सङ्कम्पेस्सतिsaṅ·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पकम्पेस्सतिsam·pa·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पचालेस्सतिsam·pa·cā·les·sa·ti वाति—नेतंvā·ti ठानंṭhā·naṃ विज्जति।vij·ja·ti

puratthimāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī ‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.

An ascetic or brahmin might come from the east, west, north, or south wanting to debate, seeking a debate, thinking: ‘I’ll refute their doctrine!’ It’s simply impossible for them to legitimately make that mendicant shake or rock or tremble.
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पच्छिमायpac·chi·mā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya …पे…pe

Pacchimāya cepi disāya …pe…

(Pāli only)
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उत्तरायut·ta·rā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya …पे…pe

uttarāya cepi disāya …pe…

(Pāli only)
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दक्खिणायdak·khi·ṇā·ya चेपिce·pi दिसायdi·sā·ya आगच्छेय्यā·gac·chey·ya समणोsa·ma·ṇo वाvā ब्राह्मणोbrāh·ma·ṇo वाvā वादत्थिकोvā·dat·thi·ko वादगवेसी:vā·da·ga·ve·sī ‘वादमस्सvā·da·mas·sa आरोपेस्सामी’ति,ā·ro·pes·sā·mī तंtaṃ वतva·ta सहधम्मेनsa·ha·dham·me·na सङ्कम्पेस्सतिsaṅ·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पकम्पेस्सतिsam·pa·kam·pes·sa·ti वाvā सम्पचालेस्सतिsam·pa·cā·les·sa·ti वाति—नेतंvā·ti ठानंṭhā·naṃ विज्जति।vij·ja·ti

dakkhiṇāya cepi disāya āgaccheyya samaṇo vā brāhmaṇo vā vādatthiko vādagavesī: ‘vādamassa āropessāmī’ti, taṁ vata sahadhammena saṅkampessati vā sampakampessati vā sampacālessati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.

(Pāli only)
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तंtaṃ किस्सkis·sa हेतु?he·tu

Taṁ kissa hetu?

Why is that?
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सुदिट्ठत्ता,su·diṭ·ṭhat·tā भिक्खवे,bhik·kha·ve चतुन्नंca·tun·naṃ अरियसच्चानं।a·ri·ya·sac·cā·naṃ

Sudiṭṭhattā, bhikkhave, catunnaṁ ariyasaccānaṁ.

It’s because they have clearly seen the four noble truths.
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कतमेसंka·ta·me·saṃ चतुन्नं?ca·tun·naṃ

Katamesaṁ catunnaṁ?

What four?
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दुक्खस्सduk·khas·sa अरियसच्चस्सa·ri·ya·sac·cas·sa …पे…pe दुक्खनिरोधगामिनियाduk·kha·ni·ro·dha·gā·mi·ni·yā पटिपदायpa·ṭi·pa·dā·ya अरियसच्चस्स।a·ri·ya·sac·cas·sa

Dukkhassa ariyasaccassa …pe… dukkhanirodhagāminiyā paṭipadāya ariyasaccassa.

The noble truths of suffering, its origin, its cessation, and the path.
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तस्मातिह,tas·mā·ti·ha भिक्खवे,bhik·kha·ve ‘इदंi·daṃ दुक्खन्’तिduk·khan योगोyo·go करणीयोka·ra·ṇī·yo …पे…pe ‘अयंa·yaṃ दुक्खनिरोधगामिनीduk·kha·ni·ro·dha·gā·mi·nī पटिपदा’तिpa·ṭi·pa·dā योगोyo·go करणीयो”ति।ka·ra·ṇī·yo

Tasmātiha, bhikkhave, ‘idaṁ dukkhan’ti yogo karaṇīyo …pe… ‘ayaṁ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti yogo karaṇīyo”ti.

That’s why you should practice meditation …”
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दसमं।da·sa·maṃ

Dasamaṁ.

(Pāli only)
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सीसपावनवग्गोsī·sa·pā·va·na·vag·go चतुत्थो।ca·tut·tho

Sīsapāvanavaggo catuttho.

(Pāli only)
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तस्सुद्दानंtas·sud·dā·naṃ

Tassuddānaṁ

(Pāli only)
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सीसपाsī·sa·pā खदिरोkha·di·ro दण्डो,daṇ·ḍo

Sīsapā khadiro daṇḍo,

(Pāli only)
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चेलाce·lā सत्तिसतेनsat·ti·sa·te·na च;ca

celā sattisatena ca;

(Pāli only)
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पाणाpā·ṇā सूरियूपमाsū·ri·yū·pa·mā द्वेधा,dve·dhā

Pāṇā sūriyūpamā dvedhā,

(Pāli only)
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इन्दखीलोin·da·khī·lo चca वादिनोति।vā·di·no·ti

indakhīlo ca vādinoti.

(Pāli only)

Sources. Sanskrit: Satyavedaḥ, the New Testament in Sanskrit (Calcutta Baptist Missionaries, 1851; J. Wenger’s revision of W. Carey’s version). Digital text © 2018 SanskritBible.in, via eBible.org, licensed CC BY-SA 4.0; changed here: arranged by verse and every word linked to the dictionary (links made automatically). Old Testament Sanskrit: the Old Testament in Sanskrit, Calcutta Baptist Mission Press, 1848–1852 (public domain), read by OCR from the Internet Archive scans of the Boston University School of Theology copy; unproofread, with machine clean-up only. Pāli Canon: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka Buddhavasse 2500 (based on the Vipassana Research Institute’s Chaṭṭha Saṅgāyana edition), from SuttaCentral bilara-data, CC0; Devanagari and pronunciation made automatically from the Roman text. Pāli English: Bhikkhu Sujato (suttas) and Bhikkhu Brahmali (Vinaya), SuttaCentral, CC0. Pāli word meanings: the Pali Text Society’s Pali-English Dictionary (Rhys Davids & Stede), corrected reprint © The Pali Text Society, CC BY-NC 3.0, digital text from BuddhaDust; word matching automatic. English: King James Version (1769), public domain; words the translators added are in italics. Word meanings and pronunciations: Monier-Williams, Sanskrit–English Dictionary (1872), via this site’s Sanskrit dictionary (CC BY-SA 4.0); English↔Sanskrit word matches made automatically and may need checking.